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turbofb · Post by **turbofb** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:45 pm

I made the turbo kit, and my stock gsl-se engine has 120k on it, last 20k are turbo miles, and i drive the hell out of it.

Kouki7 · Post by **Kouki7** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:04 pm

{FC}DriftingCanadian13b wrote:I'm just afraid of putting a turbo on the 13b motor, the turbo version was kind of a last minute design idea that the people at Mazda had. I mean the turbo 13b's usually don't last much longer then 100,000- 120,000. And this motor has 113,000 miles on it. The N/As do last longer. Where as the RENESIS motors are supposedly indestructible, due to the redesigned ports and location of the apex seal.
Where did you get the turbo kit for 1500?

look, there is NO turbo kit for the NA FC's. its all CUSTOM!!!

please research before posting wrong info about rotaries. any rotary engine can go for 200k+ miles if taken care of right. most people don't take care of em right and then they blow. TUNING is a HUGE part of keeping a rotary alive.

djdorifto · Post by **djdorifto** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:48 pm

Its take a little easy here now, no didn't yell at you or at anyone. We are all here to learn of what can be done and what can't and so on. Am sure as hell wouldn't like it if I ask a question and have someone yell out to me if I was dumb or igorrent(sp), he asked a question and there is no need to bite his head off.

Hey FC, looks like I haven't introduce myself, just one of the mods and fellow drift/car lover. About your Rotary needs, the NA engine do last longer, but the reason is because they don't have a Force Induction product on its side boosting and making heat much higher. The think is that once a engine goes FI then heat goes way up and it shortens the life span on the engine. This goes for any engine out there no matter what other people say. The Rotary engine is a awesome engine that I just love and hope to own one day, but the thing is that it makes so much heat that its Apex Seals become very bittle and wear-off which then a rebuild is needed at around 70-100K. This goes for any kind of boost your pushing.

Now for the new Renesis engine, its indestructible but its NA. Just wait till a FI product gets on its side and boom within 70-100k miles it will be needing a rebuild. Now the thing is that the Renesis engine hasn't been out there long enough to truly know how well the engine will react to a FI and how bad its Apex Seals will go out. For the worry and espicaly how expensive parts for the Renesis is, I rather go for a 13b Engine and go Single Turbo. Its best to go Single Turbo than TT because much heat is taken out of the engine bay which makes it a better enviroment to not let the engine go into a denation phase.

I hope you semi-understand what am trying to say here and if you need any questions just let me know, am always here to help anyone with any questions on their mind. L8s

-dj

turbofb · Post by **turbofb** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:10 pm

Some things you just posted are not facts, more oppions. I would say heat is a big part of 3rd gen, but then agian they have little room for air flow though the engine. And its not the apex seals that are the problem more with water seals. The seals wont become brittle by adding boost, you do have to worry about wear, more power means the faster the engine spins, more force applied to the seal and housing, more wear on both. But what does break a apex seal is detnoation, and higher rpm when they chatter. The stock apex seal will skip acrossed the housing, and cause increased wear. Oh, and if brittle seals are more likly to break, then why do all serious racers use ceramic seals?? Misconceptions of the rotary are what give it a bad name, if you are competent then it should last a normal life span, which is a 100k. but can your piston engine live that long??

djdorifto · Post by **djdorifto** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:21 pm

Ceranmic gives you an extra thousand or few miles more. The thing is that they will not break as regular seals do and they will travel through the engine and cause more damage to the housing I believe it is. Am not extacly sure, but this is what I read at rx7club.com when I was researching about the Rx7 a few years back when I was planing on getting a FD. Almost everyone on there says that the money for Ceranmic seals isn't worth it. The fast rx7 is using regular seals.

edit: k, no more, lets keep on topic, if you want to discuss make a thread about this, it be good to do a article about the rotary for other people to read. Thanks!

Arcana · Post by **Arcana** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:26 pm

http://www.wanganmidnight.com/forums/in ... ery&id=308

teh se7en

turbofb · Post by **turbofb** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:01 pm

rx7-club is not racers, talk to the racers. When you rebuild a ceramic motor, the seals are reused, because they don't wear.

charlie · Post by **charlie** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:04 pm

anybody 'member the good 'ol days when this thread was about pictures of your ride???

ps. Nice RX7 Arcana!

I always love to see older cars that are well kept.

Arcana · Post by **Arcana** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:50 pm

Thanks bro. She's mah babay...

{FC}DriftingCanadian13b · Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:29 pm

Kouki7 wrote:
{FC}DriftingCanadian13b wrote:I'm just afraid of putting a turbo on the 13b motor, the turbo version was kind of a last minute design idea that the people at Mazda had. I mean the turbo 13b's usually don't last much longer then 100,000- 120,000. And this motor has 113,000 miles on it. The N/As do last longer. Where as the RENESIS motors are supposedly indestructible, due to the redesigned ports and location of the apex seal.
Where did you get the turbo kit for 1500?
look, there is NO turbo kit for the NA FC's. its all CUSTOM!!!

please research before posting wrong info about rotaries. any rotary engine can go for 200k+ miles if taken care of right. most people don't take care of em right and then they blow. TUNING is a HUGE part of keeping a rotary alive.

The way I when about looking at prices for the FC turbo, was I went to a Mazda dealer ship talked with the head mechanic and got prices for a branspanking new turbo assembly, intercooler, ecu, wiring harness, and allot of other parts, to strait convert the stock N/A to a stock Turbo and in total for a New Mazda turbo assembly for FC was close to $3000. I did not look into aftermarket turbo's, only what I could get from Mazda.

kraynakadon · Post by **kraynakadon** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:50 pm

Not my car, but I think I want that license plate for the Miata!

Kouki7 · Post by **Kouki7** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:23 pm

{FC}DriftingCanadian13b wrote:
Kouki7 wrote:
{FC}DriftingCanadian13b wrote:I'm just afraid of putting a turbo on the 13b motor, the turbo version was kind of a last minute design idea that the people at Mazda had. I mean the turbo 13b's usually don't last much longer then 100,000- 120,000. And this motor has 113,000 miles on it. The N/As do last longer. Where as the RENESIS motors are supposedly indestructible, due to the redesigned ports and location of the apex seal.
Where did you get the turbo kit for 1500?
look, there is NO turbo kit for the NA FC's. its all CUSTOM!!!

please research before posting wrong info about rotaries. any rotary engine can go for 200k+ miles if taken care of right. most people don't take care of em right and then they blow. TUNING is a HUGE part of keeping a rotary alive.

The way I when about looking at prices for the FC turbo, was I went to a Mazda dealer ship talked with the head mechanic and got prices for a branspanking new turbo assembly, intercooler, ecu, wiring harness, and allot of other parts, to strait convert the stock N/A to a stock Turbo and in total for a New Mazda turbo assembly for FC was close to $3000. I did not look into aftermarket turbo's, only what I could get from Mazda.

ahh i see. well its cheaper to not by brand new OEM stuff for your kit. you can find used turbo's and manifolds in good condition and for cheap to.

EDIT: love the FB man. what kinda wheels are those? they look good on there.

aburazaru · Post by **aburazaru** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:45 am

how about staying on topic. just start another thread dudes. i'm not trying to be a dick or insult anybody so chill. just making a suggestion

DavidC · Post by **DavidC** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:12 pm

just joined the board. this was my old car
you may have seen it in magazines

got a s13 project car now. will post pictures later

if anyone wants some parts from the WRX i still have a couple things available

djdorifto · Post by **djdorifto** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:21 pm

good freaking lord! Makes me re-think the chance I would have gotton my WRX. *looks at my S13 pics* haha, nm i'll stick to mine.

But goddamn man, awesome Rex.