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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:04 am
by Greg
everything is cyclical. gas prices will come down, inflation will do down, the DOW will rebound, the globe will get warmer then get cooler, etc.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:37 am
by Nismo300zxt
Yoshi wrote:struka wrote:people worry too much about gas... and complain too much. just accept it.
Yeah gas prices have been much higher everywhere else for much longer and that have lived with it. Its just something people are going to have to either change driving habits or budget more money for.
The price has nothing to do with the barrel cost in Europe. They are getting taxed a lot more than us.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:32 pm
by Yoshi
Nismo300zxt wrote:Yoshi wrote:struka wrote:people worry too much about gas... and complain too much. just accept it.
Yeah gas prices have been much higher everywhere else for much longer and that have lived with it. Its just something people are going to have to either change driving habits or budget more money for.
The price has nothing to do with the barrel cost in Europe. They are getting taxed a lot more than us.
Yeah but none the less they have been paying much more than us for quite some time.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:26 am
by matts13
the people that drive a suv and can't a afford it need to drive 55. there does nto need to be a low for it. i drive a truck it gets bad gas mileage but i drive fast cause i like too/
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:41 am
by Cankles
matts13 wrote:the people that drive a suv and can't a afford it need to drive 55. there does nto need to be a low for it. i drive a truck it gets bad gas mileage but i drive fast cause i ball outta control like dat
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:19 pm
by Kronus
Yoshi wrote:Nismo300zxt wrote:Yoshi wrote:struka wrote:people worry too much about gas... and complain too much. just accept it.
Yeah gas prices have been much higher everywhere else for much longer and that have lived with it. Its just something people are going to have to either change driving habits or budget more money for.
The price has nothing to do with the barrel cost in Europe. They are getting taxed a lot more than us.
Yeah but none the less they have been paying much more than us for quite some time.
You also make more overall living in Europe since the overall cost of living in general is higher. Its not an equal comparison.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:46 pm
by Generz
While gas prices in Europe have risen in the same proportion as the United States, the socio-economic impact to the consumers is much greater in the United States.
There are several reasons that can be attributed to the greater socio-economic impact on the consumers in the United States; however the main reason is, historically, Americans have a higher dependency on their cars as forms of transportation compared to Europe.
The culture and development in the United States has been based solely on the automobile. The majority of our cities, suburban areas, and rural areas were designed with the car in mind. Compared to Europe, the same respective areas have mostly grown with other forms of transportation and not having to travel at all.
Left with little to no alternatives but to drive, Americans still need to use their cars to travel from place to place. This is due to the lack of adequate public transportation systems and the long distances to be traveled by foot to reach destinations. Most Europeans have a variety transportation to choose from or simply not travel at all (walking short distances to the store). Thus the increase in gas prices affect the American public much more than the our European counterparts.
While many are pushing to increase public transportation to help ease the woes of high gas prices, there are many American cities and areas that do not or will not have viable public transportation for many years to come. So these are the areas that will suffer and decline as residents become poorer and be forced to move to areas that offer higher convenience.
*woot. short essay*
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:46 pm
by collink
quazar311 wrote:While gas prices in Europe have risen in the same proportion as the United States, the socio-economic impact to the consumers is much greater in the United States.
There are several reasons that can be attributed to the greater socio-economic impact on the consumers in the United States; however the main reason is, historically, Americans have a higher dependency on their cars as forms of transportation compared to Europe.
The culture and development in the United States has been based solely on the automobile. The majority of our cities, suburban areas, and rural areas were designed with the car in mind. Compared to Europe, the same respective areas have mostly grown with other forms of transportation and not having to travel at all.
Left with little to no alternatives but to drive, Americans still need to use their cars to travel from place to place. This is due to the lack of adequate public transportation systems and the long distances to be traveled by foot to reach destinations. Most Europeans have a variety transportation to choose from or simply not travel at all (walking short distances to the store). Thus the increase in gas prices affect the American public much more than the our European counterparts.
While many are pushing to increase public transportation to help ease the woes of high gas prices, there are many American cities and areas that do not or will not have viable public transportation for many years to come. So these are the areas that will suffer and decline as residents become poorer and be forced to move to areas that offer higher convenience.
*woot. short essay*
^^^ TRUF!!!...for the most part...
I don't, however, really believe that gas prices have all that much to do with the price of the barrel. If they did, then someone tell me why the fuck diesel is almost always at least $.50 (and in some cases almost $1.00) more than for 87 ocane uleaded gasoline. Diesel is easier to refine than regular unleaded 87 octane is. It's all price gouging.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:11 pm
by Generz
collink wrote:quazar311 wrote:While gas prices in Europe have risen in the same proportion as the United States, the socio-economic impact to the consumers is much greater in the United States.
There are several reasons that can be attributed to the greater socio-economic impact on the consumers in the United States; however the main reason is, historically, Americans have a higher dependency on their cars as forms of transportation compared to Europe.
The culture and development in the United States has been based solely on the automobile. The majority of our cities, suburban areas, and rural areas were designed with the car in mind. Compared to Europe, the same respective areas have mostly grown with other forms of transportation and not having to travel at all.
Left with little to no alternatives but to drive, Americans still need to use their cars to travel from place to place. This is due to the lack of adequate public transportation systems and the long distances to be traveled by foot to reach destinations. Most Europeans have a variety transportation to choose from or simply not travel at all (walking short distances to the store). Thus the increase in gas prices affect the American public much more than the our European counterparts.
While many are pushing to increase public transportation to help ease the woes of high gas prices, there are many American cities and areas that do not or will not have viable public transportation for many years to come. So these are the areas that will suffer and decline as residents become poorer and be forced to move to areas that offer higher convenience.
*woot. short essay*
^^^ TRUF!!!...for the most part...
I don't, however, really believe that gas prices have all that much to do with the price of the barrel. If they did, then someone tell me why the fuck diesel is almost always at least $.50 (and in some cases almost $1.00) more than for 87 ocane uleaded gasoline. Diesel is easier to refine than regular unleaded 87 octane is. It's all price gouging.
I actually was looking at a trendline that was from 2002 to current that compared the price of gas (by gallon) to the price of oil (by barrel).
Gas prices has always mimicked the price of crude. Lately, crude has been rising at a faster rate than gas prices, which means that we are actually paying less for the crude in our tanks post refining than previously.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:20 pm
by collink
I stand corrected partly. But I think that they're still gouging the fuck out of the prices...like I bet their mark-up is KILLER...almost as much as pizza...
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:22 pm
by Generz
well i agree with that..
Big Oil can't tell us that they are losing money and yet their financials post record profits.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:29 pm
by collink
Did anyone notice a price DECREASE when they started making gas about 10% ethanol? I don't remember one.... You mean to tell me that 13 oz of ethanol costs more than 13 oz of gasoline? Bullshit...
You know, we used to have anti-price-gouging laws..but from what I've heard, our current administration has all but done away with them...
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:33 pm
by P.Haire
from what i've heard you're retarded.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:31 pm
by down_shift
Im not well read in this area so Im not going to pretend but hasnt all our recent spending and borrowing weakened the dollar making it more expensive for us to buy crude or anything else on the world market?
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:59 pm
by Greg
you can thank Slick Willie Clithole for the erosion of the anti-gouging laws