S14 FD Cages

Hert · Post by **Hert** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:06 pm

Anyone have pics of the rear part of the cage for 2010 legal FD cars? We need some help....

jsquared · Post by **jsquared** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:23 pm

Did the rules for the rear change? I didnt notice anything specifically.

Here's Matt P's rear bars, looks like he had to widen the opening to the trunk in order to keep the bars straight and at a good angle and still be at the right spot on the main hoop:

http://www.vadriven.com/forums/showthre ... ost5811630" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Assuming his passed tech hahaha.

matts13 · Post by **matts13** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:42 pm

Black Guy wrote:Anyone have pics of the rear part of the cage for 2010 legal FD cars? We need some help....

my cage will pass fd tech but it is a little over kill. will try to find a few snaps of the rear section.

the main this at the diag bar from drivers head to floor is one piece. the harness bar is 2 piece. the the down bars from the main hoop to the rear must be straight and connect at the base plate.

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:12 pm

Albeit Matt's car is an S13 the idea is the same. Here is a link to the whole album of photos from start to finish.

http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh26 ... e%20Build/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also for good measure Dave's is a bit different and should also pass FD tech:
http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh26 ... e%20Build/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The only thing lacking might be test holes to assure tubing thickness, but that's easily done with a drill whenever it's actually necessary.

icantdrift · Post by **icantdrift** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:49 pm

Zach wrote:Albeit Matt's car is an S13 the idea is the same. Here is a link to the whole album of photos from start to finish.

http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh26 ... e%20Build/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also for good measure Dave's is a bit different and should also pass FD tech:
http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh26 ... e%20Build/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The only thing lacking might be test holes to assure tubing thickness, but that's easily done with a drill whenever it's actually necessary.

Dave's rear supports aren't legal. they have to meet the chassis at the base.

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:30 am

Is that new per this past year? I don't remember seeing anything about that in last year's rule book.

mikespeed95 · Post by **mikespeed95** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:03 am

new as of a couple weeks prior to longbeach.

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:42 am

mikespeed95 wrote:new as of a couple weeks prior to longbeach.

Balls, well Dave when I get home if you want that changed lemme know and we'll see what we can't do to get that legal.

DJones · Post by **DJones** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:50 am

Zach wrote:
mikespeed95 wrote:new as of a couple weeks prior to longbeach.

Balls, well Dave when I get home if you want that changed lemme know and we'll see what we can't do to get that legal.

YAY!!!

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:58 am

Haha can't be having something I made not be legal, that would be just silly. I think I have enough scrap left-over to work that out, if not I'll be buying some to re-do the cage in my S13 so I'll snag some extra to re-do that.

DJones · Post by **DJones** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:01 am

I would love to have you do a front crash bar and some other support bracing as well.

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:32 am

DJones wrote:I would love to have you do a front crash bar and some other support bracing as well.

Perfect, I was starting to get worried I wasn't going to get to do any fab work this summer and was going to have to get a normal job... PM me what you're interested in so I can start figuring it all out. Also if you're up for it we could gusset the thing while I'm working on it to make it truly legal.

PmartyX · Post by **PmartyX** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:05 am

mikespeed95 wrote:new as of a couple weeks prior to longbeach.

It has always been in the rulebook. It's just now being enforced.

mikespeed95 · Post by **mikespeed95** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:38 pm

previously you were also allowed to terminate the rear downbars into a (for lack of terminology right now) strut tower brace type deal, as per several w2w sanctioning bodies.

now its one way or go home, which is good and has needed to happen for a while.

foilman · Post by **foilman** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:58 pm

PmartyX wrote: It has always been in the rulebook. It's just now being enforced.

Nope... there used to be a lot of freedom in the rear braces. I dont' have the FD rulebook for this year handy but I HIGHLY SUGGEST READING IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES BEFORE MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR CAGE. The FD rulebook originally came from the SCCA Pro Racing rules. Neither the FD '05 book (what I had on hand), nor the current 2010 SCCA Pro Racing book mention attaching to the bottom of the towers.

from FD '05 rules
6. Bracing:

The main roll hoop shall have two braces extending to the rear attaching
to the frame or chassis. Braces shall be attached as near as possible to
the top of the main hoop not more than six (6) inches below the top and at
an included angle of at least thirty (30) degrees. On cars where the rear
window/bulkhead prohibits the installation of rear braces (e.g., Honda del
Sol), the main hoop shall be attached to the body by plates welded to the
cage and bolted to the stock shoulder harness mounting points.

from 2010 SCCA Pro racing
J.8.3.1: MAIN HOOP BRACING
J.8.3.1.1: Closed cars with full cockpit-width main hoops must have two (2) braces extending to the rear, and attaching to the frame, or chassis. Braces must be attached as near as possible to the top of the main hoop (not more than 6â€ below the top), and at an included angle of at least 30-degrees. Main hoop rear bracing shall not extend rearward past the shock towers.
J.8.3.1.2: Open cars must have two (2) braces extending forward from the main hoop, and attaching to the frame, monocoque, or front hoop. This bracing may be supplemented by rear bracing. Forward and rear bracing must be attached as near as possible to the top of the main hoop (not more than 6â€ below the top), and at an included angle of at least 30 degrees. This bracing must protect the driverâ€™s shoulders and torso.

[EDIT]

I found v1 of the 2010 FD book that came out in October.

7.4.8 Rear Hoop Supports:
The main roll hoop shall have two braces extending to the rear attaching to
the frame or chassis. Braces shall be attached as near as possible to the top
of the main hoop not more than six (6) inches below the top and at an
included angle of at least thirty (30) degrees. No bends are allowed on rear
braces. On cars where the rear window/bulkhead prohibits the installation of
rear braces, the main hoop shall be attached to the body by plates welded to
the cage and bolted to the stock shoulder harness mounting points.

BTW, do not overdue your cage and extend it past the shock towers.

So who has a link/copy of the latest FD book handy?

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